# A Name No Man Knows **URL:** https://omnifora.com/t/a-name-no-man-knows/275 **Category:** SC Episodes **Tags:** sc-episode, episode, stone-choir **Created:** [November 30, 2022, 8:00pm UTC](https://omnifora.com/t/a-name-no-man-knows/275 "2022-11-30T20:00:00Z") **Posts on this page:** 3 **Page:** 1
### Author: ![stonechoir](https://omnifora.com/user_avatar/omnifora.com/stonechoir/32/261_2.png) [@stonechoir](https://omnifora.com/u/stonechoir) #### Post date: [November 30, 2022, 8:00pm UTC](https://omnifora.com/t/a-name-no-man-knows/275/1 "2022-11-30T20:00:00Z")
We are told to be as harmless as doves, but also to be as wise as serpents. There are times to speak and times to hold ones tongue; there are times to speak under one’s Christian name and times to speak under a pseudonym. Of course, there are those who would contend that the use of pseudonyms is cowardly or even sinful, but seldom are these individuals consistent — attacking one group for pseudonymity, while ignoring or even praising another that practices the same. Is there a place for pseudonymity in the Christian church? Or are those who employ it ‘anonymous [sic] trolls’ as some would contend? As always, we must look to Scripture, but we must also look to the motives of those who seek to unmask the pseudonymous. The answer is obvious, but many Christians — certainly to include pastors — get this one wrong. Subscribe to the podcast here. Show Notes Marquart on The Question of Procedure in Theological Controversies — Gottesdienst On Anonymity — Rev. Larry Beane See Also * * * This is a companion discussion topic for the original entry at [https://stone-choir.com/a-name-no-man-knows/](https://stone-choir.com/a-name-no-man-knows/) ---
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### Author: ![stonechoir](https://omnifora.com/user_avatar/omnifora.com/stonechoir/32/261_2.png) [@stonechoir](https://omnifora.com/u/stonechoir) #### Post date: [October 26, 2025, 4:32am UTC](https://omnifora.com/t/a-name-no-man-knows/275/3 "2025-10-26T04:32:14Z")
# Transcript WEBVTT 00:00:37.479 → 00:00:39.459 Welcome to the Stone Choir Podcast. 00:00:39.639 → 00:00:40.539 I am Corey J. 00:00:40.559 → 00:00:40.939 Mahler. 00:00:41.519 → 00:00:42.279 And I’m Woe. 00:00:43.339 → 00:00:49.359 In this episode, we will be discussing anonymity, pseudonymity, and a number of related issues. 00:00:50.559 → 00:00:57.119 You may have noticed that we successfully returned to our intended episode length, which is to say just over an hour. 00:00:57.999 → 00:01:05.759 And one final matter, you may have noticed a small e next to this episode in your podcast player of choice, if the UI happens to show that. 00:01:06.419 → 00:01:08.439 That of course is the explicit flag. 00:01:08.939 → 00:01:18.239 Now, no, we have not turned into a blue podcast, and we do not make frequent or really any use of expletives in this episode, and we do not intend to do so. 00:01:18.759 → 00:01:25.479 However, we do use the word sodomites and discuss an issue related to, well, sodomites. 00:01:26.159 → 00:01:36.159 And in order to keep our podcast from being banned by the various podcast directories, we are essentially required to flag this episode as explicit. 00:01:36.939 → 00:01:42.539 Of course, that is an issue Christians should be willing to discuss and about which they should know. 00:01:43.119 → 00:01:52.879 So you need not have any fear in listening to this episode, although if you have children listening with you, you may have to explain some things if they are attentive children. 00:01:56.839 → 00:01:58.879 If you read the show notes, and why wouldn’t you? 00:01:58.899 → 00:02:00.459 They’re short and generally informative. 00:02:00.899 → 00:02:03.679 Then you already know that we can be reached via Telegram. 00:02:03.679 → 00:02:04.859 We have a Telegram channel. 00:02:04.879 → 00:02:06.919 It is linked in the show notes and on the website. 00:02:07.519 → 00:02:10.979 We can be reached via the comment system on the website. 00:02:11.259 → 00:02:18.239 And additionally, we now have an email address for comments, questions, concerns, feedback, what have you. 00:02:18.679 → 00:02:24.299 That email address is comments at [stonechoir.com](http://stonechoir.com). 00:02:29.019 → 00:02:33.339 So today’s episode is going to be about a topic that we’ve had in mind for a while. 00:02:34.079 → 00:02:39.719 It has come to the fore with recent events that have spilled out on Twitter and elsewhere. 00:02:40.259 → 00:02:48.899 The subject is pseudonymity or anonymity versus men who use their full Christian names when they speak online. 00:02:50.679 → 00:02:56.859 When people describe us as anonymous or most people online as anonymous, it’s really a misnomer. 00:02:57.079 → 00:03:00.299 To be anonymous is to have no attribution whatsoever. 00:03:01.499 → 00:03:06.399 The definition of anonymous is nameless, wanting a name without the real name of the author. 00:03:06.939 → 00:03:16.239 So for example, if someone leaves a pamphlet on your windshield and there’s no attribution whatsoever, it doesn’t say what group it’s from or any sort of byline, that’s anonymous. 00:03:16.579 → 00:03:18.439 You have no idea where it comes from. 00:03:18.879 → 00:03:26.499 On the other hand, if there’s a copyright statement or there’s some sort of group name or maybe it says Publius or something, that’s a pseudonym. 00:03:26.739 → 00:03:28.799 That’s not their legal name. 00:03:28.919 → 00:03:33.299 It’s not necessarily a specific person that you can attribute it to. 00:03:33.659 → 00:03:38.179 But you can attribute in generally what they have said to their identity. 00:03:38.679 → 00:03:41.239 So I, for example, am not anonymous. 00:03:41.299 → 00:03:43.239 I have never been anonymous online. 00:03:43.539 → 00:03:44.439 I am pseudonymous. 00:03:44.939 → 00:03:51.859 I have had multiple aliases over the years, not because I was up to anything sketchy, but frankly, I kept getting banned from Twitter. 00:03:51.979 → 00:03:56.579 And so when I came back, I had to change my name or I would immediately get re-banned. 00:03:57.239 → 00:04:07.639 And that’s an interesting part of all of this, because when most people hear, I was banned from Twitter, your immediate thought is, well, you know, he must have done something to deserve it. 00:04:07.799 → 00:04:12.439 He must have been a real jerk, or he used terrible language, or he was abusive or something. 00:04:12.459 → 00:04:15.759 You know, obviously, if I was banned, I must have deserved it somehow. 00:04:16.459 → 00:04:30.839 Well, what has come out and what is going to come out even further as Elon rips back the veil is that the people doing the banning, which all of us who were getting banned knew for a fact, the banners were trannies, were sodomites, were pedophiles. 00:04:31.259 → 00:04:35.039 Those are the people who didn’t want me on Twitter, who didn’t want me talking. 00:04:35.879 → 00:04:46.819 So if you think that you’re on the same page as those guys morally, that’s probably a bigger question that we can ever answer on one of our episodes, but you should spend some serious time thinking about that. 00:04:46.979 → 00:04:51.219 So I am pseudonymous, not because I’m ashamed of anything I say. 00:04:51.239 → 00:05:02.359 I mean, the fact that I’m now putting my voice to it, it makes it inevitable that at some point I will too be doxed, and there will be absolute attribution to everything I’ve ever said, which I’m fine with. 00:05:02.499 → 00:05:04.099 I’m not fine with being doxed. 00:05:04.279 → 00:05:06.419 That’s an evil, murderous thing for people to do. 00:05:07.019 → 00:05:10.959 But there is no shame in anything that I have said. 00:05:10.979 → 00:05:14.239 The things that I say online are the same things that I say in person. 00:05:14.259 → 00:05:30.119 Now, the difference between an in-person conversation and an online conversation is that in person, you have the other individual in front of you, their particular views, where they’re coming from, and you work with those if you’re a normal human being trying to have a conversation. 00:05:30.879 → 00:05:32.579 On the internet, it’s different. 00:05:32.679 → 00:05:34.679 The audience is a generic one. 00:05:34.819 → 00:05:43.599 So, in a sense, it’s easier to speak directly to what I think, not because I’m hiding something in person and I’m blunt on the internet. 00:05:43.899 → 00:05:48.499 It’s just that I don’t have to assume any particular givens for whom I’m speaking to. 00:05:49.319 → 00:05:52.079 So, I’m not anonymous. 00:05:52.099 → 00:05:57.879 I’m an attributable voice that has everything I’ve ever said. 00:05:57.899 → 00:06:02.779 You can look at the very pseudonyms and say, yeah, this guy has said all that stuff, and I did. 00:06:03.219 → 00:06:04.839 And am I proud of all of it? 00:06:04.879 → 00:06:06.539 No, I’ve said things were stupid. 00:06:06.559 → 00:06:10.599 I’ve made tweets in the past that I delete it because like that was awful. 00:06:10.619 → 00:06:12.659 I shouldn’t have said that I’m a human being. 00:06:12.799 → 00:06:23.079 And so, to say that I’m not ashamed of what I’ve posted doesn’t necessarily mean I’ve never said anything idiotic because I have, but I’ve never said anything evil because I have. 00:06:23.459 → 00:06:34.799 But the salient facts of the reasons that I was banned and will probably be banned again, even with Elon, are theological in nature. 00:06:34.799 → 00:06:40.299 They come down to why all these fights are happening in the world, and frankly, why we’re doing this podcast. 00:06:40.439 → 00:06:47.739 So, just at the outset, I want to make clear that when you say that people like me are anonymous, you’re abusing the word. 00:06:48.759 → 00:06:52.559 4chan and the other image boards, those are anonymous image boards. 00:06:52.879 → 00:07:02.359 When you go to one, you click on a forum, they’re a topic group, you click on a thread, you go down to the bottom, you just type in whatever you want to say, and you hit send, and it appears. 00:07:02.479 → 00:07:05.679 There’s no login, there’s no attribution, you show up as anonymous. 00:07:07.379 → 00:07:11.819 That’s an interesting case, because there’s no reputation there. 00:07:12.319 → 00:07:17.399 And someone who is keen on reputation will think, oh, well, that’s terrible, people can do whatever. 00:07:17.999 → 00:07:26.299 But there’s a flip side to that also, is that you don’t get any credit for being some brilliant person, or for having certain credentials. 00:07:27.399 → 00:07:33.139 You show up on the timeline whatever your current thought was, and then you vanish. 00:07:33.439 → 00:07:34.779 You never get any credit for it. 00:07:34.799 → 00:07:37.079 You can’t take credit because you’re anonymous. 00:07:37.539 → 00:07:38.739 That’s what anonymous means. 00:07:39.699 → 00:07:40.839 Again, I’m pseudonymous. 00:07:40.959 → 00:07:46.599 I have years of posting under various pseudonyms that I take credit for all of it. 00:07:46.679 → 00:07:47.499 Those are my thoughts. 00:07:47.819 → 00:07:59.459 It’s funny, I’ve looked back at some of the things I was tweeting two, three years ago, and they’re every bit as relevant today as they were then, even though when I was saying it then, a lot of those things I was saying for the first time. 00:07:59.579 → 00:08:02.939 In fact, many of them were addressing this very question. 00:08:04.179 → 00:08:14.299 It’s interesting that you and I, Corey, are the two people talking about this because you are the least anonymous Lutheran out there who’s the target of these very attacks. 00:08:14.819 → 00:08:20.459 And so I’d like to first ask you, as not a pseudonymous man, as Corey J. 00:08:20.479 → 00:08:29.039 Mahler, who puts your name on everything, you are the ideal case, you’re the ideal case for what these pastors think everyone should be doing. 00:08:29.059 → 00:08:38.439 So tell the folks who maybe don’t know behind the scenes what it’s like being Corey in a world where you say things that you believe that are hated by the world. 00:08:40.799 → 00:08:48.479 Yes, saying that I am not anonymous or even pseudonymous is almost an understatement, considering my website is my name. 00:08:48.999 → 00:08:54.759 I have my actual profile picture of me on all of my accounts. 00:08:55.499 → 00:08:59.199 In fact, it’s in front of the brewery I go to after church, no less. 00:09:00.119 → 00:09:02.459 Pretty much everyone knows I live in East Tennessee. 00:09:02.479 → 00:09:04.499 It’s not hard to find the church I attend. 00:09:05.339 → 00:09:18.799 And that’s relevant because I have had individuals, pastors, in fact, who disagree with the things we have said, who have contacted my pastor basically in a proxy attempt to harass me. 00:09:21.059 → 00:09:24.419 And even beyond that, I mean, there’s the obvious social media. 00:09:24.439 → 00:09:25.939 You get death threats and things like that. 00:09:25.959 → 00:09:26.999 I have those sometimes. 00:09:27.399 → 00:09:31.999 I’ve had particularly lovely DMs show up on Twitter and on Facebook. 00:09:32.019 → 00:09:34.039 Back when I used that, that’s been a long time ago, though. 00:09:34.699 → 00:09:45.299 And so really what those who say they do not want anonymity, really pseudonymity, but those who say they don’t want it, they want the ability to harass people. 00:09:45.919 → 00:09:46.879 That’s what they’re saying. 00:09:47.499 → 00:09:49.499 They don’t want to engage with the idea. 00:09:49.879 → 00:09:52.279 They just want the potential. 00:09:52.299 → 00:09:57.099 They want the power over that person to harass him, and if they can, destroy him. 00:09:58.019 → 00:09:59.879 I’m a little more insulated than some. 00:10:00.459 → 00:10:07.419 I’m not working for, you know, a large law firm as an attorney, and so they can’t call my supervisor and get me fired. 00:10:08.039 → 00:10:10.059 They absolutely would if they could. 00:10:10.959 → 00:10:16.579 And I do not for a second doubt that some of the people from Twitter and elsewhere have complained to the bar. 00:10:17.119 → 00:10:22.199 I haven’t done anything that violates any rules, so all they’ve done is annoy some peon at the bar. 00:10:23.139 → 00:10:30.139 But it’s very obvious, the pattern of behavior in which they’re engaging, what it is they want to do. 00:10:30.839 → 00:10:35.399 They do not want to have a conversation, as they will sometimes say. 00:10:35.419 → 00:10:38.679 They don’t want to know the man on the other side of the screen. 00:10:38.699 → 00:10:39.279 That’s not it. 00:10:40.699 → 00:10:45.199 They want to be able to locate that man to harass and destroy him. 00:10:45.879 → 00:10:48.379 It is malice that animates these men. 00:10:48.799 → 00:10:52.839 In some cases, there’s also a bit of foolishness there, but ultimately, it’s malice. 00:10:55.059 → 00:10:57.019 And we were talking about this yesterday. 00:10:57.039 → 00:11:16.759 The particularly hilarious thing about whenever these guys complain about anons, as like these evil slanderers, they always ignore the fact that you exist under your real name, while simultaneously, whenever they refer to you in particular, they treat you like Voldemort on Twitter. 00:11:17.019 → 00:11:24.579 They’re afraid to type the name Cory Mahler because they’re afraid that somehow you’re going to appear like Bloody Mary. 00:11:25.059 → 00:11:26.579 And so they will call you a slave. 00:11:26.599 → 00:11:28.759 In fairness, I have done that a couple of times just to mess with them. 00:11:30.139 → 00:11:32.119 But they were asking for it. 00:11:33.019 → 00:11:34.059 Yeah, it’s well deserved. 00:11:34.079 → 00:11:38.679 But they know your name and they’re too afraid to say it. 00:11:38.699 → 00:11:43.499 You’re like Voldemort to these people who are intimately familiar with that ridiculous illusion. 00:11:43.879 → 00:11:55.799 They have a name and then they won’t use it, as you said, except to personally target you to seek harm against you in your life, in your livelihood and in your church. 00:11:56.719 → 00:11:58.039 Well, they got me banned from Twitter. 00:11:58.919 → 00:11:59.759 Yeah, me too. 00:12:00.219 → 00:12:06.219 Well, my Mahler LCMS account on Twitter, fellow Christians got that one banned. 00:12:06.239 → 00:12:07.939 I’m sure there were some others who were in there as well. 00:12:08.339 → 00:12:09.979 But I had two accounts. 00:12:10.259 → 00:12:19.739 I was not avoiding a ban or a suspension because my main account, which is my name, my full name, I’d had since 2012. 00:12:19.739 → 00:12:23.439 So I wasn’t really planning that far in advance to avoid a suspension. 00:12:24.139 → 00:12:25.259 I had Mahler LCMS. 00:12:25.739 → 00:12:33.219 I originally intended to sort of split the two, address politics and such on the main account and religious topics on the other. 00:12:33.579 → 00:12:38.719 I wound up using the other almost exclusively because I was mostly talking about religious topics and very little about politics. 00:12:39.539 → 00:12:55.799 But the reason, the thing they used to report me, to get me banned, was they mass reported a particular tweet where I said that the punishment for the production of pornography should be capital punishment. 00:12:55.819 → 00:12:56.959 I said they should be executed. 00:12:57.639 → 00:13:05.399 That is a call for a change in the law, of course, but they all mass reported it as a threat, which, of course, is bearing false witness against me. 00:13:05.399 → 00:13:09.239 But they used that in order to get me banned, and that was largely fellow Christians. 00:13:10.019 → 00:13:16.899 My main account got banned because I said something about the Eastern Orthodox and somehow someone brought it to the attention of Rod Dreher. 00:13:17.579 → 00:13:29.499 And I know he’s the one who got me banned because, for those who aren’t familiar with how this works, when you get banned, suspended, whatever they want to call it, you receive an email with the reason. 00:13:29.979 → 00:13:31.359 Now, it’s probably a vague reason. 00:13:31.479 → 00:13:35.239 It may not be a relevant reason, but you get an email that contains a reason. 00:13:36.259 → 00:13:42.239 If you are reported by a blue check because they have a special back channel, you receive nothing. 00:13:43.039 → 00:13:45.059 Your account is just all of a sudden suspended. 00:13:45.419 → 00:13:46.479 You can no longer log in. 00:13:46.919 → 00:13:52.099 And that is what happened to my main account right after I interacted with Rod Dreher. 00:13:52.819 → 00:13:55.019 And I have the screenshots that’s easy to find. 00:13:57.199 → 00:14:02.199 Now, briefly, I’d like to apologize to our audience for this extremely online talk. 00:14:05.059 → 00:14:13.859 There’s a lot of stuff that happens on Twitter and Facebook and elsewhere that the reason that we’re talking about this, this is not sour grapes over our accounts. 00:14:14.379 → 00:14:30.319 This is about the much more fundamental issue of what is falsely called the culture war, where people confuse theology with politics and vice versa, or they’re not able to understand where the line is if there’s a line at all. 00:14:30.739 → 00:14:39.039 So the reason we’re talking about this is that we’re trying to ultimately talk about where that line is between theology and politics, because it’s not where these guys are drawing it. 00:14:39.619 → 00:14:42.719 And for better or worse, these things play out online. 00:14:43.359 → 00:14:50.919 So while a lot of stuff happens on Twitter and elsewhere, we never want this podcast to be about Internet drama, about e-drama. 00:14:51.259 → 00:14:52.119 That’s exhausting. 00:14:52.199 → 00:14:52.939 I don’t want to hear it. 00:14:52.959 → 00:14:55.299 I know you don’t want to hear it if you care about this podcast. 00:14:55.319 → 00:15:00.939 So please don’t mistake what we’re saying as being about us and our accounts. 00:15:01.339 → 00:15:01.819 Whatever. 00:15:02.299 → 00:15:17.019 But as Corey just said, the fact that Christians have gone after us to remove us from being able to speak at all because they don’t like what we say about theology, that’s much more deeply rooted than just internet talk. 00:15:17.319 → 00:15:19.879 Like that’s not about any particular website. 00:15:20.159 → 00:15:25.059 That’s a fundamental question of how the church is to operate, which is what we’re talking about today. 00:15:26.479 → 00:15:35.919 So I’ve already defined pseudonymity, but I’d just like to give you a few examples of if you think that pseudonyms are evil or they’re a bad thing. 00:15:36.559 → 00:15:39.919 Anyone who knows etymology knows that pseudo means false in Greek. 00:15:40.339 → 00:15:42.299 Now, that’s in English. 00:15:42.319 → 00:15:44.559 That has a very negative connotation. 00:15:44.579 → 00:15:47.139 To say something is false is the opposite of true. 00:15:47.279 → 00:15:49.159 So that’s gross. 00:15:49.279 → 00:15:53.059 Like you won’t find someone who’s more obsessed with the truth than me. 00:15:53.199 → 00:16:04.379 So for me to be saying something that pseudonyms are great or pseudonyms are fine, you could easily think falsely that I am somehow being a hypocrite. 00:16:05.899 → 00:16:09.519 Pseudonyms are aliases. 00:16:09.599 → 00:16:10.739 They’re nicknames. 00:16:11.579 → 00:16:14.319 They’re fictitious names, stage names, pen names. 00:16:15.379 → 00:16:16.819 They’re regnal names as well. 00:16:16.899 → 00:16:24.139 So it’s very common for kings and every pope to assume a new name when they ascend to their office. 00:16:25.099 → 00:16:29.039 Most people listening have probably heard of Jorge Mario Bergoglio. 00:16:29.559 → 00:16:31.019 You’ve all heard of Pope Francis. 00:16:31.339 → 00:16:32.419 That’s his pseudonym. 00:16:32.439 → 00:16:33.319 He’s not Francis. 00:16:33.339 → 00:16:35.039 He’s Jorge. 00:16:35.579 → 00:16:38.539 But in his office, he has assumed the pseudonym. 00:16:38.939 → 00:16:50.379 Now, in his case, there’s no disconnect between the two identities, but the identity of Pope has with it that association where a pseudonym goes along with it. 00:16:51.759 → 00:16:55.039 It’s also common, as I mentioned, stage names and pen names. 00:16:55.419 → 00:16:57.579 You know, everyone knows Mark Twain. 00:16:58.279 → 00:17:00.139 Almost as many know Samuel Clemens. 00:17:00.619 → 00:17:01.799 The man was Samuel. 00:17:02.239 → 00:17:03.539 The author was Mark. 00:17:03.599 → 00:17:04.679 They were the same guy. 00:17:05.939 → 00:17:10.879 Very few of you probably would recognize the same Isier Danilovic, but you all know Kirk Douglas. 00:17:12.219 → 00:17:18.099 No one would know who was talking about when I mentioned Bernard Schwartz, but everybody knows who Tony Curtis is. 00:17:19.899 → 00:17:24.859 Some people might recognize the name Nimrata Randhawa, but you all know Nikki Haley. 00:17:26.159 → 00:17:27.819 And here’s a great one. 00:17:27.839 → 00:17:39.979 Elisa Zinovenia Rosenbaum, who became Alice O’Connor and then became Ayn Rand. 00:17:40.739 → 00:17:43.579 Now nobody knows Elisa, but everybody knows Ayn. 00:17:45.419 → 00:17:50.199 In the case of those people, those were all Jews who came into Western countries. 00:17:50.739 → 00:17:58.419 They shape-shifted into assuming our names, so that when you heard Bernard Schwartz, you’d think, well, that guy’s probably a Jew. 00:17:58.819 → 00:18:02.019 Tony Curtis, like, that’s the waspiest name imaginable. 00:18:02.019 → 00:18:11.039 So, you know, maybe he’s Irish or Italian, but you wouldn’t think that he was from the land of his origin and the people of his origin. 00:18:11.679 → 00:18:14.839 So those are people who assume pseudonyms in order to shape shift. 00:18:15.759 → 00:18:18.539 I have a pseudonym just because that’s how the internet works. 00:18:18.559 → 00:18:23.299 I’ve been on the internet for decades, and I’ve lost how many, counting how many pseudonyms I’ve had. 00:18:23.719 → 00:18:25.919 Again, not because, like, I’m covering my tracks. 00:18:25.939 → 00:18:30.439 It’s just that my identity online is not… 00:18:32.299 → 00:18:34.479 It’s just a pointer to my voice. 00:18:35.039 → 00:18:39.779 So, for example, Corey, you and I are in a group of a bunch of Lutherans, you know, 50-odd guys. 00:18:41.039 → 00:18:49.939 I know your name, and I know one or two other guys’ Christian names, the names that are written in the Book of Life for Eternity, as we talked about last week. 00:18:50.719 → 00:18:56.079 But the vast majority, I only know pseudonyms, and some of them have to change their pseudonyms fairly often. 00:18:56.539 → 00:19:23.079 Now, this is an interesting case, because one of the things that we do in this group is we will regularly pin prayer requests for guys, you know, sometimes half a time, a dozen times a day, where someone is about to have the birth of a child, or the child is sick, or they’re looking for a wife, or they have a parent who’s sick or dying, all sorts of things that happen in real life that are consequential, that are meaningful for prayer. 00:19:23.859 → 00:19:30.659 And in every one of those cases, it’s somebody with a pseudonym who’s saying, hey guys, please pray for me. 00:19:31.119 → 00:19:40.999 Now, because we understand what pseudonyms are for, we don’t think, well, I’m going to ask God to pray for Night George and his new baby. 00:19:41.939 → 00:19:44.819 I hope God knows who I’m talking about, because I don’t. 00:19:45.139 → 00:19:45.959 Like, that’s nonsense. 00:19:46.259 → 00:19:47.039 I know who he is. 00:19:47.059 → 00:19:47.999 I know things about him. 00:19:48.019 → 00:19:48.939 I just don’t know his name. 00:19:49.199 → 00:19:50.359 I don’t care about his name. 00:19:50.659 → 00:19:52.059 And it’s not apathy. 00:19:52.359 → 00:19:55.619 It’s that to me, he’s KG, and he’s a close friend. 00:19:56.259 → 00:19:57.519 God knows who he is. 00:19:57.679 → 00:20:04.219 So when I take Night George to God in prayer, I don’t have any doubt that God knows exactly who I’m talking about. 00:20:04.539 → 00:20:06.079 And the same is true of my pseudonym. 00:20:06.919 → 00:20:10.299 God knows exactly who I am when I’m posting on the internet. 00:20:10.799 → 00:20:25.959 And these pastors, these people who get angry that someone is posting without accountability, they want accountability, they want to hold somebody’s feet to the fire, is though I think that I’m tricking God by using a different name than the one that’s written in the Book of Life. 00:20:26.419 → 00:20:27.699 I have no such delusions. 00:20:28.019 → 00:20:30.219 I’m accountable for every careless word. 00:20:30.459 → 00:20:33.599 Like I said, I’ve had careless words, and sometimes I’m ashamed of them. 00:20:33.639 → 00:20:37.499 Like, nope, I got to get rid of that, because I should not have done that. 00:20:38.799 → 00:20:43.099 That was shame before God, because I said it, and God saw me see it. 00:20:43.339 → 00:20:48.479 The fact that it was attributed online to a pseudonym is meaningless between me and my Creator. 00:20:48.799 → 00:20:53.679 And the fact that some pastor who gets mad at me, doesn’t know my name, is totally immaterial. 00:20:54.959 → 00:20:59.139 As you said earlier, these guys never want to actually discuss the things we want to discuss. 00:20:59.519 → 00:21:03.159 They will think that they’re slandering you by calling you slavery, Lutheran. 00:21:03.359 → 00:21:05.179 And I agree with you completely on this subject. 00:21:05.439 → 00:21:09.939 We’ll do an episode probably pretty soon about slavery and what God says about slavery. 00:21:10.179 → 00:21:12.699 Because it’s not what these men say, it’s not what the world say. 00:21:13.259 → 00:21:23.639 But rather than dealing with the text of scripture, they just want to go straight for ad hominem and discrediting the person rather than talking about the ideas. 00:21:24.299 → 00:21:34.599 And so pseudonymity is valuable in that case, because it keeps the attacks away from the person and forces the discussion onto the ideas. 00:21:34.919 → 00:21:37.659 As I’ve said before and elsewhere, I have no credentials. 00:21:37.959 → 00:21:38.939 I’m not a pastor. 00:21:39.179 → 00:21:40.079 I don’t know Greek. 00:21:40.439 → 00:21:42.539 I have no training for any of this. 00:21:42.559 → 00:21:43.539 I freely admit that. 00:21:43.859 → 00:21:48.679 And if you think that that disqualifies me from being heard, then no, listen, that’s fine. 00:21:49.739 → 00:22:05.959 If in spite of the fact that I have no credentials, you hear what I say and think, huh, that’s interesting, or wow, I really think this is valuable, that’s between you and your understanding of scripture through what the Holy Spirit has revealed to you, that you would hear what I say and say, yeah, I think I agree with that. 00:22:06.479 → 00:22:07.919 It’s got nothing to do with credentials. 00:22:07.939 → 00:22:21.479 So guys who need their collar in their avatar online and they need to have their titles in order to be recognized, I think is a very different kind of hiding behind something. 00:22:21.719 → 00:22:23.719 They accuse me of hiding behind a pseudonym. 00:22:24.579 → 00:22:26.919 Frankly, I think most of them are hiding behind their collars. 00:22:28.379 → 00:22:34.439 Well, as mentioned, that is one of the benefits of pseudonymity, is that the only thing that matters is what you said. 00:22:36.079 → 00:22:46.239 And so those who are pseudonymous cannot make an appeal to credentials or to experience or to anything outside of what they have said. 00:22:46.759 → 00:22:49.619 And so it is wholly about the argument. 00:22:50.159 → 00:22:54.719 And in this case, we are basing everything we say on scripture. 00:22:55.059 → 00:23:01.519 And so those who are making these points under a pseudonymous account are simply making the point. 00:23:01.519 → 00:23:07.959 They are not saying, well, I’m a pastor, so you have to listen to me, or I have this degree or that degree or this knowledge. 00:23:08.839 → 00:23:11.919 Yes, in my case, I’m obviously not pseudonymous. 00:23:13.299 → 00:23:16.059 But I am still making an appeal to the things I have said. 00:23:16.079 → 00:23:23.579 You will note that on my website and on my accounts, I’m not adding all the letters that I could add after my name. 00:23:23.939 → 00:23:30.019 I did for a little while simply to annoy a handful of people that really found that noxious because it amused me. 00:23:31.019 → 00:23:36.359 But I’ve removed all that stuff because it’s not actually particularly relevant to the things I’m saying. 00:23:37.479 → 00:23:47.399 Yes, if the topic of European Union antitrust comes up, okay, fine, my credentials are now relevant, my training is relevant. 00:23:47.979 → 00:23:57.199 But when it comes to these things, we are appealing to the Word of God, we are appealing to those who have the Spirit to hear God’s voice in the things we are saying. 00:23:57.719 → 00:24:00.079 And so the credentials are not relevant. 00:24:00.959 → 00:24:04.419 Is being a pastor relevant to some of this stuff in some way? 00:24:04.659 → 00:24:06.759 Well, certainly when it comes to the stricter judgment. 00:24:07.799 → 00:24:14.659 But in a very real way, the only thing that is relevant is whether or not the man who is speaking is repeating God’s word. 00:24:16.259 → 00:24:20.279 He may have whatever sort of clothing he wants on. 00:24:21.019 → 00:24:25.319 He may have whatever degrees he wants, but what matters is what he is saying. 00:24:25.339 → 00:24:30.259 And being pseudonymous is actually in some way a benefit with regard to that. 00:24:32.919 → 00:24:35.359 And it’s not unprecedented within the faith either. 00:24:35.379 → 00:24:39.119 Earlier I mentioned we have a friend who goes by night, George, for obvious reasons. 00:24:39.139 → 00:24:39.379 That’s… 00:24:40.279 → 00:24:46.199 Junker Jorg was one of Luther’s pseudonyms when he was pursued by men who were trying to murder him. 00:24:48.279 → 00:24:49.819 Yeah, and many people don’t… 00:24:50.739 → 00:24:54.059 Actually, I think that many people would not actually know who Junker Jorg is. 00:24:54.079 → 00:24:55.359 They don’t know that story. 00:24:55.879 → 00:25:06.819 But after the Diet of Worms, in 1521, Friedrich the Wise, one of Luther’s patrons, had him kidnapped, so to speak. 00:25:07.639 → 00:25:20.399 He had him intercepted in the countryside on the way back from the Diet, because he had basically just been declared, you know, an outlaw in the old sense of the term. 00:25:20.419 → 00:25:22.059 Someone could kill him without consequence. 00:25:22.399 → 00:25:30.999 And so in order to protect him, they kidnapped him, spirited him away to Vartberg, and he assumed the name of Junker Jorg, more or less Knight George. 00:25:31.339 → 00:25:34.359 It’s a little difference in emphasis there, but it’s close enough of a translation. 00:25:35.679 → 00:25:47.899 And so he lived essentially as a minor noble in Vartberg Castle, in rooms that had traditionally been used for minor nobles who had basically fallen out of favor, but not so far that they needed to be executed. 00:25:48.719 → 00:25:52.899 So it was not quite prison, but sort of house arrest. 00:25:53.779 → 00:25:55.959 But while he was there, he had two squires who waited on him. 00:25:55.979 → 00:25:57.559 He lived as a minor noble. 00:25:57.579 → 00:26:03.279 Incidentally, he may have put on a little weight while he was there, because he switched from a monk’s diet to a minor noble’s diet. 00:26:03.339 → 00:26:04.199 Very different thing. 00:26:04.799 → 00:26:06.719 He interacted with other nobles. 00:26:07.539 → 00:26:12.639 But while he was there, operating under this pseudonym, he translated the Bible. 00:26:15.279 → 00:26:22.119 That’s essentially the first time you really have the Bible in the vernacular being widespread. 00:26:22.119 → 00:26:26.419 Obviously, yes, Greek at the time would have been vernacular, but it no longer was. 00:26:27.039 → 00:26:27.859 Neither was Latin. 00:26:29.659 → 00:26:34.659 And so we have, he also wrote two volumes worth of his works while he was in that castle. 00:26:35.819 → 00:26:52.259 And so we have an instance in our own history, and this is the case for all Protestants, not just Lutherans, but obviously particularly for Lutherans, of a man operating under a pseudonym and achieving a great deal of good and doing it for a perfectly legitimate reason. 00:26:52.779 → 00:26:57.999 In his case, he would have been killed if he had been found, if he had been using his name and been discovered. 00:26:59.139 → 00:27:02.299 Today, the stakes aren’t really that much different. 00:27:03.599 → 00:27:13.039 No, the emperor is not going to literally drag you into the town square and chop off your head if you express these unpopular opinions online and are found out. 00:27:14.759 → 00:27:26.579 But the agents of our evil government are certainly going to find you, are going to get you fired, are going to make your life miserable, are going to send you death threats, may very well cause you physical harm. 00:27:27.079 → 00:27:36.059 In some cases, this stuff does actually eventuate in murder because some of our adversaries, some of our enemies, are willing to go that far. 00:27:38.399 → 00:27:49.139 And that’s the reason that we’re talking about this, is that there are real world consequences to these pastors claiming that you must unmask yourself or you are a coward. 00:27:51.679 → 00:28:04.599 One of my first exposures to the spirit behind what a lot of these pastors think was a year or so ago, when I was on Jonathan Fisk’s discord, Fiskward, he obviously is the admin. 00:28:04.619 → 00:28:06.179 There are like 600 people on the thing. 00:28:06.219 → 00:28:11.139 I was in a channel with Adam Kunz and a number of other pastors whom I respect. 00:28:11.899 → 00:28:19.499 And one day there was a conversation, and I think, I don’t remember the details, I think there was like a disagreement between me and another member, which was pretty typical. 00:28:19.519 → 00:28:25.099 I was there basically to be hated, but to speak the truth in a place where maybe a few people would hear it. 00:28:26.379 → 00:28:35.179 Anyway, something happened, and Jonathan Fisk falsely accused me of a sin in front of everyone, in front of hundreds of people. 00:28:35.199 → 00:28:36.699 He said that I had just sinned. 00:28:37.319 → 00:28:42.979 And the accusation was not borne out by any of the evidence, so that made her slanderous. 00:28:43.499 → 00:28:47.779 And because he’s not only a pastor, but he is the admin, that made it powerful slander. 00:28:47.979 → 00:28:53.379 Like, it’s one thing if I, as just a nobody on Discord, say something mean about somebody else. 00:28:53.739 → 00:28:54.479 Nobody cares. 00:28:54.839 → 00:28:59.499 When the admin and the pastor, who it’s named after, says something, everybody cares. 00:28:59.859 → 00:29:00.659 So I rebuked him. 00:29:00.699 → 00:29:02.779 I said, that was false. 00:29:02.859 → 00:29:05.379 You need to repent, and you need to take that back. 00:29:05.599 → 00:29:07.339 You’ve harmed my reputation. 00:29:08.039 → 00:29:12.599 And the only reason I’m telling this story, it’s not that I’m mad that someone was mean to me online. 00:29:13.199 → 00:29:17.259 I remember it because I learned something very important that day from his response. 00:29:17.959 → 00:29:23.859 Fisk responded by scoffing at me and essentially saying, I don’t even know your name. 00:29:23.879 → 00:29:25.179 You’re not a real person. 00:29:25.859 → 00:29:29.479 I can’t possibly sin against you because I don’t know who you are. 00:29:29.499 → 00:29:30.619 And that was the end of it. 00:29:30.779 → 00:29:40.239 Like, as far as I was concerned, as far as he was concerned, because I was pseudonymous, he could do any manner of harm to my reputation, which is a real thing. 00:29:40.259 → 00:29:46.739 I have a reputation because all of my comments online are attributable to a pseudonym, but to me. 00:29:47.319 → 00:29:48.759 And he said, that’s nothing. 00:29:48.759 → 00:29:51.659 I can rob you of your reputation because it’s not even you. 00:29:51.679 → 00:29:54.999 You’re not even really a human being unless you use your real name. 00:29:55.739 → 00:30:03.859 This is something that played out again this year in what was the inspiration for our very first episode where we talked about Mrs. 00:30:03.879 → 00:30:10.019 Jonathan Lackey’s book that was published by CPH that was teaching theology to the church. 00:30:11.039 → 00:30:11.339 And… 00:30:14.379 → 00:30:21.179 Corey, you and I, our friend group, were the first people within Lutheranism to discuss this. 00:30:21.659 → 00:30:22.839 We discussed it in private. 00:30:22.859 → 00:30:24.779 Like, what’s going on at CPH? 00:30:24.959 → 00:30:29.319 Why are they unable to find pastors to teach theology? 00:30:29.559 → 00:30:30.739 Like, do we have a shortage? 00:30:31.499 → 00:30:33.419 No, there’s not a shortage of pastors. 00:30:33.439 → 00:30:36.699 There may be a shortage of theologians, but that’s a separate problem. 00:30:37.519 → 00:30:45.079 But why is it that the organ of our synod is propping up a 25-year-old girl to teach theology? 00:30:45.739 → 00:30:48.499 Jesus didn’t even begin teaching theology until he was 30. 00:30:48.999 → 00:30:50.719 But we disregard that example. 00:30:50.739 → 00:30:53.039 He’s like, well, okay, this girl, she’s got a ton of gifts. 00:30:53.319 → 00:30:56.099 She might even be better at Jesus teaching theology. 00:30:56.499 → 00:31:01.359 So she’s upheld, and she’s given a publishing deal, and her book is propped up, and issues, etc. 00:31:01.499 → 00:31:04.539 It makes it the book of the month, and everybody loves it. 00:31:05.219 → 00:31:10.299 And some of our friends are like, this doesn’t seem to be consistent with Scripture. 00:31:10.779 → 00:31:14.739 Let’s go look at where Scripture says that I do not permit a woman to speak. 00:31:14.759 → 00:31:16.459 She has to be silent in the church. 00:31:17.239 → 00:31:20.719 And the discussion was, you know, well, does in the church mean that she can’t preach? 00:31:20.739 → 00:31:31.879 And basically, all the pastors concluded that there’s nothing in the Bible that prevents a girl from doing anything except vesting, giving communion, and standing in the pulpit and preaching. 00:31:32.239 → 00:31:33.779 Everything else is up for grabs. 00:31:34.159 → 00:31:37.559 Now, most of them will deny that, but that’s functionally what their arguments are. 00:31:37.879 → 00:31:48.159 Whenever they look to 1 Timothy 2 and 1 Corinthians 14, they see those texts strictly as protecting their pastoral office and not being about headship. 00:31:49.179 → 00:31:49.919 We disagreed. 00:31:50.359 → 00:31:54.939 So we started discussing it online and saying, hey, look at this book, look what’s going on. 00:31:55.319 → 00:32:01.299 And it quickly spread, because it was rightly controversial that a girl is teaching theology. 00:32:01.779 → 00:32:08.519 And I wanted to read just a couple clips from what appeared on the Goddardstein’s blog and on Larry Beane’s blog as a follow-up. 00:32:10.019 → 00:32:12.819 The first clip here that I’m going to read for you is from John Busman. 00:32:12.839 → 00:32:13.619 He’s a pastor. 00:32:14.399 → 00:32:19.639 In the middle of his post, he just mentioned as an aside that he’s Mrs. 00:32:19.659 → 00:32:21.119 Jonathan Lackey’s pastor. 00:32:21.399 → 00:32:32.759 He really buried the lead there by launching into a multi-page diatribe that I’ll get into here, and failing to mention that it was his own parishioner he was defending so forcefully. 00:32:33.119 → 00:32:36.339 Nothing wrong with defending her, but say up front, I’m her pastor. 00:32:36.359 → 00:32:37.559 Let me tell you what I think. 00:32:38.159 → 00:32:40.019 Well, he’s also defending himself. 00:32:41.559 → 00:32:42.199 Yes, very much so. 00:32:42.219 → 00:32:47.759 Because he’s the one who either correctly or incorrectly taught her husband and her. 00:32:48.839 → 00:32:49.759 Yeah, absolutely. 00:32:50.119 → 00:33:01.579 By us questioning the nature of the headship of a woman teaching theology, we were implicitly questioning his headship, John Busman’s headship, as her pastor. 00:33:01.859 → 00:33:04.719 And so you’re right, he was absolutely defending himself indirectly. 00:33:05.579 → 00:33:06.619 So here’s what he said. 00:33:07.019 → 00:33:08.139 So why the backlash? 00:33:08.479 → 00:33:18.939 I actually think it’s simply people with absolutely nothing better to do than to anonymously troll people and try to discourage them from fulfilling their vocation. 00:33:19.399 → 00:33:23.119 We have those types enter into the goddess blog comment section all the time. 00:33:23.359 → 00:33:24.199 You know the types. 00:33:24.799 → 00:33:26.099 There are a couple things there. 00:33:26.459 → 00:33:28.759 Anonymously is always connected to troll. 00:33:29.039 → 00:33:31.379 If you’re anonymous, you’re automatically a troll. 00:33:31.839 → 00:33:33.339 This is Peter Slayton’s big thing. 00:33:33.359 → 00:33:35.599 He’s the social media manager for the LCMS. 00:33:35.959 → 00:33:37.939 He goes around calling people trolls all the time. 00:33:37.959 → 00:33:45.299 He’s blocked numerous pastors and our own synod from the official LCMS website because they follow trolls on Twitter. 00:33:45.759 → 00:33:51.939 So see, this is this troll thing, this slander of calling someone a troll is exactly what Jonathan Fisk did to me. 00:33:52.199 → 00:33:53.559 He said, I don’t know your name. 00:33:53.559 → 00:33:54.959 I don’t like something you said. 00:33:55.319 → 00:34:01.299 Rather than apologizing for slandering you, I’m going to label you a pseudonymous troll and then you’re nothing. 00:34:01.659 → 00:34:06.079 That’s exactly what these other pastors, that’s what Bussman did and what Larry is going to do in a minute. 00:34:06.299 → 00:34:07.139 Say these are trolls. 00:34:07.159 → 00:34:08.379 They’re not really human beings. 00:34:09.519 → 00:34:19.639 And the other thing that will be a subject for another day, but note he said, trying to discourage them, meaning girls, from fulfilling their vocation, meaning teaching theology to men. 00:34:20.219 → 00:34:26.099 Now, that’s a textbook case of question begging, because that’s what they do. 00:34:26.119 → 00:34:31.159 They say, well, obviously, God gave her the gift to teach, so if she’s teaching, it must be from God. 00:34:31.459 → 00:34:34.019 And if you don’t like her teaching, you must be opposed to God. 00:34:34.299 → 00:34:36.939 Those are the rhetorical tricks that get played in these fights. 00:34:38.899 → 00:34:47.039 In a subsequent post on Godesteen, Bernal Eckhart, and this is mostly written by Larry Beane, but Bernal posted it under his name with credit to Larry. 00:34:47.059 → 00:35:21.159 He said this, Father Bussman’s posts brought to our attention to this, which is good, not only a question of where the scriptural line is drawn in the real world regarding women teaching and publishing in their own time, place and culture, but also regarding the roles of men and women and chivalry, the swarming of a woman by anonymous men, as recently happened in the Twitter world, is not chivalrous Christian masculine behavior, and we all agree on that. 00:35:21.179 → 00:35:23.379 This is fascinating for a few reasons. 00:35:23.619 → 00:35:35.799 One, we never said a single word to Molly on Twitter that was hostile or abrasive or overly critical. 00:35:36.239 → 00:35:41.759 When you use Twitter, there’s an advanced search where you can look and see everyone who has addressed another account by name. 00:35:42.319 → 00:35:46.159 We looked at all the posts that anyone, anywhere on the Internet, had said to Mrs. 00:35:46.179 → 00:35:46.639 Lackey. 00:35:47.799 → 00:35:50.339 There wasn’t a single thing that was mean, that was hateful. 00:35:51.159 → 00:35:59.419 The only comment that we found was from one of our friends who said something nice to her, even in a thread where he was criticizing the fact that this book had been published. 00:35:59.979 → 00:36:10.739 So for Larry and Bernal to say that the swarming of a woman on Twitter is slander, it is a lie, there is zero evidence for it. 00:36:10.999 → 00:36:16.499 And it’s one of these lies that these guys are happy to propagate, because again, we’ve been labeled as trolls. 00:36:16.719 → 00:36:19.799 So if it’s a troll, no holds barred. 00:36:20.019 → 00:36:23.099 You can say whatever you want about a troll because they’re not really human. 00:36:23.599 → 00:36:26.359 There’s no question of sinning against a troll. 00:36:26.859 → 00:36:37.079 So when they make those slanderous accusations, as pastors, as the guys who write the Goddess blog, everyone who doesn’t know anything automatically assumes that that actually happened. 00:36:37.499 → 00:36:41.159 Most people believe that people were saying mean things to Mrs. 00:36:41.179 → 00:36:42.199 Lackey on the Internet. 00:36:42.499 → 00:36:44.519 It literally never happened. 00:36:45.279 → 00:36:46.339 I want to emphasize that. 00:36:46.459 → 00:36:47.719 It never happened. 00:36:48.379 → 00:36:57.439 And yet these men will repeat this over and over again, and they’re free to do so in their minds morally because the people speaking were pseudonymous. 00:36:57.999 → 00:37:00.379 If they had not been pseudonymous, what would they have done? 00:37:00.679 → 00:37:09.939 They would have called their pastors and say, you need to put this person on the lesser ban unless they repent for this sin, where there was no sin, and they know that. 00:37:10.379 → 00:37:22.479 So that’s why we’re talking about this, because when someone makes accusations against a person without his name, they think they can’t possibly sin against them. 00:37:22.839 → 00:37:31.459 So when you see doxing and you see threats against livelihood and even flesh, they think it’s okay, even though it’s exactly what Antifa does. 00:37:33.819 → 00:37:35.419 The post on GoddessBlog goes on. 00:37:36.319 → 00:37:39.399 Finally, it’s been our policy for several years not to allow anonymous posts. 00:37:40.199 → 00:37:41.699 We decided we need to enforce it. 00:37:42.079 → 00:37:50.659 There may have been a need for anonymity in discussing political and hot button social topics, but when it comes to discussing our faith, we are called upon to confess. 00:37:51.299 → 00:38:07.239 Further, putting your name on something requires that you put more thought into your comment to choose your words and your accusations more carefully and subjects you to consequences within the church that you will be held accountable by your pastor in the case of pastors by your brothers in the ministerium. 00:38:07.619 → 00:38:09.439 That goes directly to what we had just said. 00:38:09.799 → 00:38:11.879 They don’t want to discuss the ideas. 00:38:12.179 → 00:38:13.579 They want punishment. 00:38:13.899 → 00:38:22.419 They presume to act as judge, jury and executioner in these theological discussions, and they seek the destruction of the men with whom they disagree. 00:38:23.559 → 00:38:28.259 There is another word that Larry used in there, chivalrous, and that absolutely came from him. 00:38:28.279 → 00:38:28.979 He’s a southerner. 00:38:29.279 → 00:38:31.699 He’s very proud of his southern heritage, and I respect that. 00:38:31.999 → 00:38:33.419 Half my family is from the south. 00:38:33.499 → 00:38:34.099 I get it. 00:38:34.779 → 00:38:50.959 But I think it’s ironic that in a discussion of a woman teaching theology, Larry and others would suddenly invoke these terms of chivalry, and you can’t say mean things to a girl. 00:38:51.999 → 00:39:00.379 If you assume for the sake of argument that it is legitimate for a girl to be teaching theology, she has stepped into the ring. 00:39:00.739 → 00:39:09.859 She has made herself subject to criticism, as every theologian is subject to criticism for what they say and whether they have the right to say it. 00:39:10.279 → 00:39:20.559 So ironically, by begging chivalry as a defense of her honor, he was actually agreeing with us that she has no business talking about theology in the first place. 00:39:21.619 → 00:39:32.539 And on Larry’s own blog, he repeated a week later, her pastor complained that she was being anonymously attacked on social media, and he was angry and protective of this member of his flock. 00:39:32.859 → 00:39:37.919 The nature of some social media platforms lends to swarming by trolls. 00:39:38.959 → 00:39:51.439 This is where we are right now as men, who indeed are supposed to lead the church, refuse to use their real names, but instead approach theology with a mindset of a cowering keyboard warrior using a pseudonym. 00:39:52.039 → 00:39:56.059 When it comes to the Christian faith, we should not resort to pseudo anything. 00:39:56.399 → 00:40:05.119 We come from a long tradition of men and women, clergy and laity, willing to confess and take the consequences of their countercultural confession of Christ. 00:40:05.559 → 00:40:08.299 Be strong and show yourself a man, oh Christian. 00:40:08.959 → 00:40:10.439 Now, he said some other things in the article. 00:40:10.459 → 00:40:27.379 We did actually defend that there’s an appropriate place for pseudonymity, but he specifically carved out if theology is a place where it’s utterly impermissible, which is interesting when you look back to the Luther case, where clearly Luther was speaking about theology, was writing on theology, and he was doing so pseudonymously. 00:40:28.099 → 00:40:41.479 Now, pastors live sheltered lives, particularly pastors who go straight from seminary to… 00:40:42.199 → 00:40:44.319 or go straight from college to seminary to the parish. 00:40:44.739 → 00:41:09.939 They never live a single day in the real life, so they don’t know what it’s like to have an HR department, to have diversity, equity and inclusion training, to have annual multi-hour brainwashing sessions where you are forced to confess that sodomy and transgenderism and all of these other demonic evils are normative and tolerable and necessary parts of life. 00:41:10.679 → 00:41:16.719 So this is where we’re talking about, drawing the line between theology and politics. 00:41:17.439 → 00:41:31.099 You know, if someone is in the workplace and they’re told that they have to call a co-worker who is a man by his assumed name as a woman and his new identity, is that political or is that theological? 00:41:31.659 → 00:41:34.619 Is that a lie he’s allowed to tell because it’s in the workplace? 00:41:34.639 → 00:41:38.819 And, you know, really it’s not about John 3.16, so what if he calls John Jeanette? 00:41:39.959 → 00:41:41.019 That’s theological. 00:41:41.099 → 00:41:42.719 That is a confession of the faith. 00:41:43.039 → 00:41:47.819 Because to call a man a woman is to deny the creator of that person. 00:41:48.279 → 00:41:49.999 That’s a first article denial. 00:41:50.459 → 00:41:58.839 When I was taught as a child, I believe in God the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all things, visible and invisible. 00:41:59.299 → 00:42:02.799 That applies to me as a man, and to someone else as a woman. 00:42:03.179 → 00:42:10.719 And so for someone to come along and say, you need to call this man a woman, that’s the most profound theological statement that I can make in this day. 00:42:11.139 → 00:42:13.719 Because your employer is not attacking justification. 00:42:14.039 → 00:42:18.939 He’s not asking you to say, so do you think, let’s see how you can save yourself before God? 00:42:19.939 → 00:42:21.219 And it’s not even a pinch of incense. 00:42:21.239 → 00:42:25.719 He said, do you need to deny your creator by saying that this person was made in a different image? 00:42:28.199 → 00:42:31.639 Well, it’s Satan has learned over the intervening centuries. 00:42:32.659 → 00:42:40.159 We had the knockdown drag out fight that actually culminated in more than one war over justification. 00:42:41.679 → 00:42:49.539 Satan is still attacking that with regard to the many false churches that exist, but he’s not attacking us with that. 00:42:50.559 → 00:42:54.679 Because you are not going to get Lutherans who deny Article 4. 00:42:54.899 → 00:42:56.299 That’s just not going to happen. 00:42:57.859 → 00:43:03.139 But you don’t need to do that if you can get them to go ahead and deny the first article of the creed. 00:43:04.059 → 00:43:06.959 Because if you don’t have the father, well, you don’t have the son. 00:43:07.099 → 00:43:10.779 The same as if you don’t have the son, you don’t have the father, because God is one. 00:43:11.999 → 00:43:12.919 Three and one, of course. 00:43:12.979 → 00:43:17.759 But that is how Satan is attacking the church today. 00:43:17.779 → 00:43:18.919 It’s how he’s attacking Christians. 00:43:18.939 → 00:43:26.919 He is attacking us with ontology, a word that people are going to hear a lot from this podcast, but probably not very much from anywhere else. 00:43:27.839 → 00:43:32.879 The nature of things matters, because God is the author of that nature. 00:43:32.879 → 00:43:35.379 Yes, our nature is fallen because of sin. 00:43:35.399 → 00:43:36.299 It is corrupted. 00:43:36.639 → 00:43:41.219 But God is still the author of what that nature was intended to be. 00:43:41.819 → 00:43:49.839 And insofar as our nature reflects what God intended it to be, it is directly God’s good creature, God’s good creation. 00:43:50.979 → 00:43:55.039 And when we deny that, it is, as you said, a denial of God. 00:43:55.839 → 00:43:59.699 You cannot say that black is white and white is black. 00:44:00.619 → 00:44:03.539 Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. 00:44:03.699 → 00:44:05.839 God is very clear about this in scripture. 00:44:06.159 → 00:44:14.759 You do not get to deny the reality of things and continue to claim that you are in fact still a Christian, because you’ve denied your creator. 00:44:16.179 → 00:44:33.339 And all of these fights that are called social justice or critical theory, these things are coming from the so-called left-hand kingdom, which is a dichotomy that we need to dissect and put in its proper place in a future episode. 00:44:34.019 → 00:44:39.019 But when pastors like Larry say, well, if you’re talking about the faith, you got to use your name. 00:44:39.579 → 00:44:46.319 Well, it’s talking about the faith to talk about sodomites and the fact that sodomites reproduce by raping children. 00:44:47.499 → 00:44:56.899 One of the other pastors who has recently been posting some better things is Hans Feeney, the Lutheran satire guy. 00:44:56.999 → 00:45:00.819 His last name is Feeney, but his grandfather was a price. 00:45:01.039 → 00:45:06.059 He’s a member of the price dynasty, which I say lovingly, not with any criticism. 00:45:09.579 → 00:45:11.799 He’s probably among the weakest of the prices. 00:45:11.819 → 00:45:14.759 The current crop, the guys like Mark and Christian, are outstanding. 00:45:15.519 → 00:45:16.919 Rolf is one of the older ones. 00:45:17.199 → 00:45:21.079 He’s a great man who will boldly speak the truth about these things. 00:45:21.559 → 00:45:31.319 And so recently, there was a comment from Hans on Twitter specifically talking about the fact that sodomites reproduce by raping children, which is a fact. 00:45:31.959 → 00:45:36.179 I’ve had eight, I’ve had nine homosexual friends over the course of my life. 00:45:37.359 → 00:45:42.859 Every single one of them had stories about their first sexual encounter with an adult when they were between 12 and 14. 00:45:43.639 → 00:45:50.799 And they became sodomites themselves because that was the easiest way to cope with having been raped as a child. 00:45:51.679 → 00:45:52.899 They were groomed first. 00:45:52.939 → 00:46:01.739 Like it wasn’t overtly forcible rape, but no one sane would agree that a 12-year-old can consent to having sex. 00:46:02.199 → 00:46:03.719 And yet that was the case in each of these. 00:46:04.559 → 00:46:09.539 And so now that’s anic data, but it’s also 100% anic data. 00:46:09.979 → 00:46:15.959 And that is borne out by the surveys and by the discussions and by just talking to these people. 00:46:16.719 → 00:46:26.879 They will all be open if they talk long enough about the fact that their first encounters with men of the same sex were as children. 00:46:27.939 → 00:46:29.479 It’s literally how they reproduce. 00:46:29.839 → 00:46:35.719 Nobody wants to talk about that in the church because we want to talk about LGBTQIA identity. 00:46:36.079 → 00:46:38.819 That is such a perverse and demonic acronym. 00:46:38.999 → 00:46:42.519 It should never be in the mouth of any Christian, and God forgive me for having said it. 00:46:42.939 → 00:46:56.279 But I want to point out the fact that when you use those, the rainbow flag, multicolored aspect of, well, sexuality is just this huge, it’s a variety of things. 00:46:56.299 → 00:46:57.199 It can be anything. 00:46:58.299 → 00:46:59.879 It cuts to the heart of theology. 00:47:00.319 → 00:47:06.319 It cuts to the heart of God made man and woman and gave them to each other to be fruitful and multiply. 00:47:06.659 → 00:47:14.779 And all of these perversions, which are not only damnable, but God repeatedly commands the physical destruction of those who commit those things. 00:47:16.379 → 00:47:20.359 Homosexual men will actually go even farther than just discussing those things. 00:47:21.699 → 00:47:30.399 Because as a psychological defense mechanism that’s part of it, they will actually go so far as to brag about how young they were when they were molested, when they were raped. 00:47:31.679 → 00:47:37.019 And a lot of pastors, I don’t think, have ever been around that subset of the population. 00:47:37.039 → 00:47:38.659 They don’t understand these things. 00:47:39.299 → 00:48:18.959 And another thing to go back to, when you said that pastors are at least those who are first career, second career not going to be as insulated, but depending on the age, still fairly insulated from what’s happening today, they don’t realize that what you just said, and by my sitting here, what I have said, and I agree with everything you said to be explicit about it, but simply by my sitting here, if I had just remained silent, I would be fired if I were working at a large corporation or even a medium size one, because someone would report me to HR and HR would fire me, just because you said it and I was sitting here in silence. 00:48:20.399 → 00:48:21.979 Because I said what is in Scripture. 00:48:23.179 → 00:48:26.639 And that’s where the fundamental disconnect is, where these pastors don’t understand. 00:48:27.059 → 00:48:28.339 All this stuff is theology. 00:48:28.559 → 00:48:30.919 Christian nationalism is theology. 00:48:31.099 → 00:48:32.259 It’s not politics. 00:48:33.099 → 00:48:37.279 Just as whether or not a woman can be writing a theological book is theology. 00:48:37.299 → 00:48:38.239 It’s not politics. 00:48:38.659 → 00:48:42.319 Whether a man can have sex with a man is not politics. 00:48:42.339 → 00:48:43.279 It’s theology. 00:48:43.759 → 00:49:00.179 We have these artificial lines that we’ve begun to permit to be drawn by Satan in our world, and they’re deliberately hamming us into a corner where there’s effectively nothing left of the Christian life except for talking about John 3.16, and otherwise just shut up and mind your own business. 00:49:00.379 → 00:49:02.559 And that’s effectively what these pastors are doing. 00:49:03.279 → 00:49:07.299 You had mentioned second career, and you’re absolutely right that the timing is vital. 00:49:07.799 → 00:49:14.859 To his credit, Larry Beane as a second career guy, he originally had a, I want to say a real job, but he had a professional job. 00:49:15.439 → 00:49:22.459 So he has experienced the real world to some extent, but that was 15 years ago, going on 20 years ago before he went to seminary. 00:49:24.039 → 00:49:30.999 I can tell you from the group of guys that we have now, we have a good mix of Zoomers, millennials and Xers in the group. 00:49:32.239 → 00:49:45.999 I’ve said this repeatedly, the 20-year-old guys in our group, the things that happened to them in college today are so much worse than that the 25-year-olds remember that they have a hard time believing it. 00:49:46.759 → 00:49:51.099 Now imagine someone who’s got another 20 years on that, you have no frame of reference. 00:49:51.679 → 00:50:00.159 So a pastor who’s been out of the workplace for 15 years literally has no idea what the workplace is like today when it comes to these things. 00:50:00.479 → 00:50:05.619 He knows what it’s like to have a boss, he knows what it’s like to have coworkers and to navigate office politics and that stuff. 00:50:06.159 → 00:50:15.699 But the specific theological warfare that’s being waged by Satan against the consciences of Christians in the workplace everywhere, pastors have no idea. 00:50:16.099 → 00:50:18.359 And pastors are insulated from this stuff. 00:50:18.999 → 00:50:19.959 And I mentioned Hans. 00:50:20.559 → 00:50:26.099 He alluded to the statistics about homosexuals reproducing by raping children. 00:50:26.519 → 00:50:30.379 When someone mentioned, when someone challenged him in the comments, he then backpedaled. 00:50:30.559 → 00:50:33.879 And so I’m just speculating, you know, why aren’t we seeing in those numbers? 00:50:36.399 → 00:50:51.419 I’m not going to make this claim with certainty because I wasn’t there, but it is my firm belief based on supposition that Hans got that and many of his other good recent takes on Twitter in the last two months or so from price chat. 00:50:51.779 → 00:51:00.179 I think that Mark and Christian have been an influence on the things that he’s said online recently, because they’re things he’s never said before, and they’re things that you and I say all the time. 00:51:00.479 → 00:51:02.519 They’re things that are quote unquote based. 00:51:03.059 → 00:51:06.299 They’re things that would get you fired in the workplace for saying them. 00:51:06.739 → 00:51:10.819 He’s recently been saying them, which is good, because when we say them, we get banned from Twitter. 00:51:11.179 → 00:51:14.719 He has immunity, and we get banned from Twitter by Christians for saying them. 00:51:15.279 → 00:51:19.199 But I’m glad that someone is at least saying them, and they’re being heard, because they’re vitally important. 00:51:20.899 → 00:51:25.599 You want to talk a little bit about the Stephen Wolf book and the Thomas A Court affair? 00:51:27.139 → 00:51:28.439 Sure, a little bit. 00:51:29.339 → 00:52:03.319 Just before that, I want to mention that, I think it was two or maybe three years ago at this point, I got into the exact same issue, the fact that homosexual sodomites were reproduced by raping children, with Tapani Simayoki, a Finnish pastor, Lutheran pastor, and I made a statement along the same lines of what we’ve been saying, and he pushed back against it, because his initial reaction, his innate sense of what he needs to do, is he wants to come to the defense of impenitent sinners against a Christian. 00:52:05.039 → 00:52:10.999 And I, of course, doubled down, but that is an ongoing battle that we have been having all over the place. 00:52:11.699 → 00:52:18.279 And pastors are often either not fighting on the correct side, or simply just not fighting at all. 00:52:19.559 → 00:52:44.139 But to move on to what’s happened with a chord, and you’ll have to fill in some of the details, I think you may have followed this more closely than I have, but essentially what happened is a co-host of Ars Politica made some comments, true comments by and large, some of them may have been maybe a little uncharitable, harshly worded, but true statements on a pseudonymous account. 00:52:44.899 → 00:52:48.959 It came out that it was his account. 00:52:48.979 → 00:52:51.179 He’s now admitted that in a post. 00:52:52.219 → 00:53:02.799 And essentially Twitter and other social media set up a lynch mob to destroy his life, to get him fired, to have him lose his income. 00:53:02.819 → 00:53:05.799 This is a man who has wife and one child or… 00:53:05.819 → 00:53:08.559 I think he has a couple based on that. 00:53:08.579 → 00:53:09.599 Yeah, he may have a couple, yeah. 00:53:10.579 → 00:53:25.699 But their whole goal was just to utterly destroy this man for saying things that 50 years ago, 60, 70, however long, not very long ago, you could have said on TV, and no one would have batted an eye. 00:53:25.919 → 00:53:28.219 That would have just been a normal thing to hear. 00:53:28.639 → 00:53:46.679 And a lynch mob of insane people, evil, wicked people, decided to destroy him, many of whom prefaced their comments with, as a Christian, and then went on to say the most vile things about someone who actually is a Christian in order to destroy him. 00:53:48.079 → 00:53:48.299 Yep. 00:53:49.499 → 00:54:03.879 And the reason that the Ars Politica podcast connection is relevant is that his co-host, Thomas’ co-host of Ars Politica, is Stephen Wolf, who wrote the recent book on Christian nationalism, which is a subject we had just a couple weeks ago. 00:54:04.499 → 00:54:07.579 So they’re trying… 00:54:08.739 → 00:54:16.359 This whole thing has been a proxy attack on Christian nationalism by evil people. 00:54:16.959 → 00:54:32.799 They see Christian nationalism as a subject, as so dangerous to the satanic work that the devil and all of his demons are successfully advancing in the world, that they used a proxy attack of the guy, his co-host. 00:54:33.179 → 00:54:38.319 Like, Thomas Acord didn’t, as far as I know, contribute much of anything to the book. 00:54:38.639 → 00:54:41.799 He just happened to be a friend of Stephen Wolf, the author. 00:54:42.179 → 00:54:49.019 It was so important to Satan to destroy anyone’s ability to even think about Christian nationalism. 00:54:49.599 → 00:54:53.959 That they destroyed a man, they cost him his livelihood right in the holiday season. 00:54:54.299 → 00:55:16.699 And then when someone set up a give-send-go, which is like GoFundMe except for Christians, set up a give-send-go charity drive for him, Christians then waged a campaign against give-send-go to deny him receiving that money that was charity from other Christians who wanted to help his family because he just lost his job. 00:55:17.639 → 00:55:19.699 Which is to say they actually want him to starve. 00:55:20.259 → 00:55:21.279 Literally starve. 00:55:22.079 → 00:55:22.759 That’s murder. 00:55:22.999 → 00:55:24.219 That is attempted murder. 00:55:24.239 → 00:55:28.699 It is murder in the heart, which is then manifesting itself as murder of the person. 00:55:29.079 → 00:55:47.239 And it’s being done because the things that he says, you said some of the things like, I wouldn’t have phrased it that way, but the points that he was trying to get to on his anonymous account are mostly things we’ve already said just in the few short podcasts we’ve had about Christian nationalism, about race, about the fact that a nation is a race. 00:55:47.899 → 00:56:00.339 If you talk about nationalism at all, you are necessarily talking about racism, about kinism, about belief that blood and soil go together and that that is scriptural. 00:56:00.639 → 00:56:02.239 So that’s what’s under attack here. 00:56:02.579 → 00:56:13.539 It’s ironic that the people who are so hysterical against nationalism, they’re implicitly advocating empire because that’s what the United States is today. 00:56:13.559 → 00:56:14.359 It’s an empire. 00:56:14.679 → 00:56:26.259 It is a multi-ethnic empire, not in the sense that we have colonies in other places, but it is an empire of nations under one political umbrella called the United States. 00:56:27.479 → 00:56:35.639 If we were a nation, there would be one racial group under its own dominion. 00:56:36.279 → 00:56:39.939 We also do kind of have colonies, but that’s a discussion for another time. 00:56:40.839 → 00:56:41.519 Yeah, it is. 00:56:42.279 → 00:56:55.739 But again, if you go back and listen to what we said in the Christian nationalism episode, it was going further than they ever go on Mars Politico, and I think further than Thomas was comfortable going in his public life. 00:56:56.399 → 00:57:10.599 But the things that he believed were grounded in Scripture because they were true, and he was a headmaster of a Christian school, and so it’s understandable that he would have been afraid to tell the truth under his real name, not because he’s… 00:57:10.879 → 00:57:14.019 Well, it’s tragic the way he handled the situation. 00:57:14.039 → 00:57:32.619 He did everything wrong because what he did after Rod Dreher and others doxxed him and attributed his pseudonymous comments to his public persona, rather than saying, yes, I said those things, I stand by them. 00:57:32.979 → 00:57:38.239 Maybe I should have said something a little bit differently, but the principle of what I said is absolutely true. 00:57:38.939 → 00:57:40.719 He threw himself under the bus. 00:57:40.919 → 00:57:43.339 He said, oh, what I said was evil. 00:57:43.679 → 00:58:00.519 I was in a dark place at that time, which is a horrible thing to say, because that seeds the entire frame to the left, where it goes back to this whole loser anonymous troll thing, to say that, oh, someone can only believe what he said about race. 00:58:01.179 → 00:58:10.619 If you’re a loser, if you’re in a dark place, if you maybe need to put under a psychiatric hold, those are the only people who are going to possibly believe these things. 00:58:11.019 → 00:58:12.719 That throws all of us under the bus. 00:58:12.839 → 00:58:19.299 So I wish he just kept his mouth shut, because he did more harm in the aftermath than by anything he ever actually said. 00:58:20.099 → 00:58:21.439 But these are the consequences. 00:58:22.479 → 00:58:32.119 We will need an entire episode, really, on tactics and frame and related topics, since, quite frankly, Christians are terrible at it, and it’s a problem. 00:58:32.199 → 00:58:34.079 Actively bad, yeah. 00:58:34.699 → 00:58:46.419 The Christian impulse to apologize, to confess, is weaponized by Satan in these cases, where Satan gets us confessing to things that aren’t sins against God. 00:58:46.979 → 00:58:49.639 And as soon as you do that, you have lost God. 00:58:49.659 → 00:58:51.159 You have made a false confession. 00:58:51.459 → 00:58:53.219 You are offering sacrifices. 00:58:53.239 → 00:58:55.159 Which is a sin. 00:58:55.399 → 00:59:04.019 It is a first commandment violation to offer sacrifices to other gods, which is exactly what all these confessions of false sins are. 00:59:06.119 → 00:59:15.899 But again, this goes back to the central point of this episode, that Thomas Acord was a public figure on Ars Politica, and he was already hated for some of the things he said. 00:59:16.699 → 00:59:29.499 But when his co-host published a book about Christian nationalism, the things that Thomas had also said about Christian nationalism on Twitter under a pseudonym suddenly became a way to destroy it. 00:59:30.079 → 00:59:32.879 And the things that they want to destroy are the things that are true. 00:59:33.579 → 00:59:43.639 And this gets back to what we were talking about earlier with Hans making his comments and Larry calling us cowards, me in particular a coward, because Larry doesn’t know my name. 00:59:43.719 → 00:59:46.899 So he can’t call my pastor and say mean things about me. 00:59:47.279 → 00:59:49.839 He has to just call me a coward online, which is fine. 00:59:49.859 → 00:59:50.399 That’s his right. 00:59:50.419 → 00:59:53.999 It’s sin, but we all have the right, quote unquote, to sin. 00:59:55.899 → 01:00:11.799 The reason I said earlier that these pastors, I think, are hiding behind their collars is that there’s an implicit presumption in the claims from men like Larry and Hans when they say, well, if you just used your name, you would proclaim the truth boldly. 01:00:12.459 → 01:00:24.899 The implicit claim that they are making is that with their collars on, with their real names, they’re making the boldest proclamation, and that no one could possibly make a bolder proclamation than they are. 01:00:25.559 → 01:00:40.039 And that’s what’s really playing out here, because someone who’s pseudonymous says something that is, quote unquote, further to the right than these men, rather than, as in the case of the Mrs. 01:00:40.059 → 01:00:45.779 Lackey episode, rather than saying, well, yeah, it is actually a question whether girls should be teaching theology. 01:00:46.319 → 01:00:46.939 What do they do? 01:00:47.199 → 01:00:53.379 They punch right, because suddenly there is a man who has emerged who is trying to be more godly than them. 01:00:53.739 → 01:00:59.739 And there’s nothing that pisses off a Christian faster than someone who seems to be less with sin than them. 01:01:00.339 → 01:01:08.639 Now, on one hand, there is the obvious scriptural warrant against claiming to be without sin, which none of us would do. 01:01:09.239 → 01:01:17.219 I could start an entire podcast separately, spin off from this, about what a terrible person I have been in my life and all the sins I continue to struggle with. 01:01:17.559 → 01:01:24.619 The fact that I’m here talking should never, in anyone’s mind, imply that I think I’m free from any degree of sin. 01:01:24.619 → 01:01:25.659 I know I’m terrible. 01:01:25.999 → 01:01:30.859 I’m less terrible than I was a few years ago because I’ve begun to confront these things more directly. 01:01:31.239 → 01:01:35.319 And I’ve begun to confront these things more directly by looking to Scripture. 01:01:35.879 → 01:01:40.459 And when I look to Scripture, I find things like women to remain silent in the churches. 01:01:40.799 → 01:01:46.079 I find things like women to have their heads covered in church, which is another scandal that’s brewing in the Lutheran Church. 01:01:47.219 → 01:01:55.919 When men who are not pastors find these things, as you said, they were the norm before Vatican II. 01:01:56.279 → 01:01:59.859 They were the norm in all of Christianity, not just Lutheranism. 01:02:00.139 → 01:02:01.999 Women covered their heads in the 50s. 01:02:02.539 → 01:02:03.919 Women didn’t vote. 01:02:04.979 → 01:02:07.079 What a preposterous idea of voting in church. 01:02:07.079 → 01:02:08.199 It’s despicable. 01:02:08.939 → 01:02:15.459 Yet these things that are normative today, that are defended vehemently, they’re anachronistic. 01:02:16.299 → 01:02:23.259 They have no place in a church where these things have never had any scriptural justification. 01:02:23.899 → 01:02:26.559 So men read the Bible. 01:02:26.879 → 01:02:30.019 They say, hey, pastor, this isn’t what we’re doing. 01:02:30.039 → 01:02:30.739 What’s the deal? 01:02:31.479 → 01:02:39.139 Rather than the pastors having their consciences convicted by the Holy Spirit, they punch right, they attack right, hard. 01:02:39.559 → 01:02:46.559 They won’t go after the alka pastors that they’re buddy buddy with on Twitter for having been ordained by women. 01:02:47.699 → 01:02:53.339 Dressed up in drag as tranny pastors like Ryan Cordell, who’s good friends with lots of Buffalo Twitter. 01:02:53.679 → 01:03:02.959 They won’t go after them, even though they’re in open or unrepentant sin, and they are in a synod that is going to happen that is going to hell collectively unless they become Christian again. 01:03:03.639 → 01:03:04.999 No, they punch right. 01:03:05.279 → 01:03:09.219 They go after the guy who says, hey, maybe we should be doing better than we are doing. 01:03:09.559 → 01:03:14.819 Because for you to say that a Christian could possibly sin is the worst thing you can ever do. 01:03:15.139 → 01:03:19.919 To say that someone could possibly sin, these men take as evil when it’s not. 01:03:20.179 → 01:03:21.219 It is Christian love. 01:03:21.599 → 01:03:22.739 Is there a bad way to do it? 01:03:22.759 → 01:03:23.579 Yeah, absolutely. 01:03:23.599 → 01:03:26.519 There are terrible ways to say, man, I think you’re sinning. 01:03:27.199 → 01:03:31.299 We try to avoid those, and sometimes it’s a struggle to avoid them. 01:03:31.599 → 01:03:39.079 But that gives no one the excuse not to make the clear confession of the faith that is commanded of every Christian. 01:03:39.479 → 01:03:42.519 And if you can’t confess boldly, shut your mouth. 01:03:43.299 → 01:03:47.419 I don’t fault someone who doesn’t want to lose his job and his mortgage from saying nothing. 01:03:48.139 → 01:03:52.879 But if you want to wade into these waters, you better say what God says. 01:03:53.179 → 01:03:56.199 You better not attack men because they’re doing a better job than you. 01:03:56.459 → 01:03:57.819 And that’s what we’re facing today. 01:03:58.039 → 01:04:10.119 And that’s what the pseudonymity fight is about, is that the men who are called anonymous, the pseudonymous men who are speaking with the clarity of Scripture that the pastors will not, they’re putting them to shame. 01:04:10.399 → 01:04:15.759 And I think these pastors know that they are shamed by the men who are speaking more clearly than they are. 01:04:16.339 → 01:04:23.219 How many of these pastors who claim to be boldly confessing everything in Scripture have women voting in their congregations? 01:04:23.579 → 01:04:26.219 I would wager that’s probably the majority, if not all of them. 01:04:27.199 → 01:04:28.019 I don’t know. 01:04:28.039 → 01:04:29.699 You can find it on some of their websites. 01:04:30.139 → 01:04:32.359 But that’s an evil thing. 01:04:32.599 → 01:04:38.199 That’s an evil anachronistic thing that has no place in the church, and yet it is normed today. 01:04:38.719 → 01:04:43.379 And so these guys who are like, well, you anons, you should boldly confess like I am. 01:04:43.619 → 01:04:46.099 And then they keep their mouth shut when this stuff is going on. 01:04:46.419 → 01:04:47.139 Give me a break. 01:04:47.339 → 01:04:48.579 That’s not a bold confession. 01:04:48.599 → 01:04:49.819 That’s hiding behind your collar. 01:04:51.419 → 01:05:05.599 Well, and how many are communing women who support abortion or men who support abortion or open communists or any of a number of extremely high profile, obvious, explicit sins? 01:05:06.559 → 01:05:09.679 How many pastors even address the issue of abortion? 01:05:11.459 → 01:05:20.259 At most, you may get a tangential throwaway line in a sermon that implies that maybe abortion isn’t such a good idea. 01:05:21.179 → 01:05:26.119 But how often are pastors actually addressing the things that they know will get them in hot water? 01:05:27.559 → 01:05:35.619 Well, maybe there’s something in scripture about hot or cold instead of lukewarm, and maybe these pastors should be concerned about what they are doing and are not doing. 01:05:37.499 → 01:05:39.319 But like you said, they always punch right. 01:05:39.339 → 01:05:50.799 It’s always the hand of fellowship to the left and nothing but violence toward the right, because they want to look good to themselves and to the world. 01:05:50.819 → 01:06:00.039 They want to be friendly with the world, and they don’t want anyone who by contrast makes them look like, well, maybe you aren’t actually that Christian. 01:06:00.179 → 01:06:11.179 Maybe you aren’t actually obeying what God says, because it looks like this person over here is actually saying the same things we find in this book, and you are watering them down. 01:06:14.499 → 01:06:19.219 I have to agree with the way you made the abortion point, but I think that there’s a way to make it correct. 01:06:19.879 → 01:06:27.579 My anecdotal experience in the LCMS has been that every congregation I’ve ever been a part of has been rabidly pro-life. 01:06:28.039 → 01:06:36.119 They’ve been very active in protesting abortion, in funding for care centers to help those who are considering abortions. 01:06:36.599 → 01:06:43.939 But where I would absolutely agree with you, I think virtually every pastor falls down, is to call the woman who seeks an abortion a murderer. 01:06:44.619 → 01:06:45.459 Yes, exactly. 01:06:45.479 → 01:06:47.999 Because the abortion is always about the doctor. 01:06:48.219 → 01:06:50.319 It’s always about saving the life of a baby. 01:06:52.699 → 01:06:52.979 Yeah. 01:06:53.519 → 01:07:06.579 But it’s never ever about a mother hiring a hitman to murder her child, and whether or not there are any women in his congregation who have hired hitmen, which is all an abortion, quote unquote, doctor is, to murder her child. 01:07:06.979 → 01:07:08.439 Well, because women don’t sin, right? 01:07:09.659 → 01:07:10.499 Yeah. 01:07:10.779 → 01:07:14.479 It’s not chivalrous to say that they could possibly do anything yet. 01:07:15.059 → 01:07:15.699 And so, like, it’s… 01:07:18.219 → 01:07:19.399 The point to make is that… 01:07:20.659 → 01:07:25.659 And again, bold confession also has to be done with sanity. 01:07:26.419 → 01:07:32.739 Everything that I say on this podcast is the sort of thing that I say in person to people when the situation arises. 01:07:33.419 → 01:07:36.899 Sometimes I keep my mouth shut because I’m not a spurg. 01:07:37.119 → 01:07:38.039 I’m not insane. 01:07:38.459 → 01:07:44.499 I know based on the context and the people I’m dealing with whether or not I can have a fruitful conversation. 01:07:45.459 → 01:07:56.619 So if someone at my congregation is openly pro-feminist, am I going to go directly after the things that fly in the face of that? 01:07:57.019 → 01:07:57.319 No. 01:07:57.839 → 01:08:17.359 Not because it’s not true, not because I’m ashamed of my confession, but because I know that the only way to change a feminist’s heart is to go around to find some way to address those errors and, frankly, the way is to get back to headship, which, yes, it necessarily implicates feminism, but it’s not a direct attack. 01:08:17.719 → 01:08:22.879 It becomes an attack when they realize what’s going on, but by then you’re having a scriptural conversation. 01:08:22.899 → 01:08:25.399 You’re not having a personal one of accusation. 01:08:26.079 → 01:08:30.259 So that’s the difference between personal conversations and ones that happen online. 01:08:30.759 → 01:08:38.359 As we talked about in the teaching episode number one, there are one-to-one relationships, and there are one-to-many relationships where you discuss these things. 01:08:39.279 → 01:08:52.579 Posting on Twitter or on a podcast or elsewhere is inherently one-to-many, so I speak with my voice and say most everything that I think as I can convey it to people who will be receptive. 01:08:52.899 → 01:08:55.759 Do I say absolutely everything I think on this podcast? 01:08:55.759 → 01:08:57.559 No, because it wouldn’t be fruitful. 01:08:57.839 → 01:09:06.159 In private conversation, I’ll have those conversations with individuals, but again, it’s not a question of shame or that I think that I’m hiding my sin from God. 01:09:06.439 → 01:09:11.319 I don’t think those things are sinful, but there are things that would not be productive to say on a podcast. 01:09:11.439 → 01:09:16.139 There are things that I believe that would get this podcast deleted from all the podcast listings. 01:09:16.519 → 01:09:26.199 So I will skirt those lines not out of shame or out of a fear of proclamation, but understanding if I get shut down, no one hears anything. 01:09:26.759 → 01:09:34.019 So there’s a time and a place to address things, and I don’t fault people for choosing their battles. 01:09:34.419 → 01:09:39.939 But like I said, choosing your battles means keeping your mouth shut, which I will do. 01:09:39.979 → 01:09:42.539 I’ll keep my mouth shut when the situation calls for it. 01:09:43.739 → 01:09:47.919 Choosing your battles is never about punching, quote unquote, right. 01:09:48.599 → 01:09:50.779 I think that we were discussing this a few days ago. 01:09:50.799 → 01:09:54.759 I think the left-right spectrum, we all agree, is just about worthless. 01:09:55.299 → 01:09:57.959 But at the same time, you kind of know what somebody means. 01:09:57.979 → 01:10:02.879 When someone’s to the left, there’s an implication there that you can clearly understand what’s going on. 01:10:03.679 → 01:10:08.759 I think that at the far left, you have absolute satanic debauchery. 01:10:08.979 → 01:10:12.439 You have complete departure from everything that God wants. 01:10:13.159 → 01:10:32.639 And the closer you get to the right, ultimately, the closer you get to God’s will, which is not to say that what is on the quote unquote far right is necessarily godly, because there are a lot of pagans in those places who are instinctively trying to seek out godly things without knowing God. 01:10:33.059 → 01:10:34.219 And that’s never going to work. 01:10:34.539 → 01:10:41.059 They’re always going to make a mess, which is why I initially began talking about my Christian faith on Twitter about five years ago. 01:10:41.439 → 01:10:47.259 I rebranded from one account to another and started talking about my faith because I saw this very issue. 01:10:47.319 → 01:10:54.579 I saw that the confusion of politics and theology was actively destructive and was doing harm in the world. 01:10:55.119 → 01:11:11.119 And I saw these guys on the right who didn’t have God, but they had godly instincts about family, about vocation, about justice that are true and correct and fit perfectly within a Christian worldview. 01:11:11.799 → 01:11:15.519 And I look and see pastors attacking them for saying those things. 01:11:16.179 → 01:11:19.159 And all I can do is grasp my head and think, what are these men doing? 01:11:19.579 → 01:11:24.939 Trying to drive these men away from the church who are seeking out God in the best way that anyone can. 01:11:25.519 → 01:11:34.159 But the pastors attacked them because they’re talking about things that are more godly than anything the pastor is willing to uphold within his congregation. 01:11:34.759 → 01:11:36.059 And that’s what this fight is about. 01:11:36.319 → 01:11:53.199 When someone is pseudonymous, when they don’t face the immediate destruction of their personal life, of their family, of their livelihood, of their physical safety, yes, you can say things that can’t be said by someone who has a gun pointed at his head. 01:11:53.639 → 01:11:54.279 No kidding. 01:11:55.179 → 01:12:04.159 And so for pastors to call us cowards because we don’t expose our names and faces is it is itself cowardly. 01:12:04.899 → 01:12:06.819 And let them go attack the left. 01:12:07.099 → 01:12:12.619 Let them go attack the men who who learn at the feet of sodomites rather than rebuking them. 01:12:12.979 → 01:12:16.379 And then we will have a conversation about who is closer to what God wants. 01:12:19.379 → 01:12:27.019 I actually don’t think I’ve seen a single pastor on Twitter incidentally attack the leftists who all use pseudonyms. 01:12:28.139 → 01:12:28.959 It’s always the right. 01:12:33.059 → 01:12:37.219 And I think we would do well to look at scripture as always. 01:12:38.019 → 01:12:41.999 I don’t think that Christ called us to be as smart as sheep. 01:12:43.999 → 01:12:47.119 He used a different term there for a good reason. 01:12:49.559 → 01:12:56.699 Yeah, modern Christianity is all about the innocent as doves and completely leaves out the wisest serpents part. 01:12:58.499 → 01:13:09.919 And that’s a tough saying, like many of Jesus’ sayings, because the serpent was the craftiest of all animals, and Satan possessed one and caused this whole mess. 01:13:10.619 → 01:13:13.559 But we are not to be stupid. 01:13:13.579 → 01:13:14.659 We are not to be fools. 01:13:15.219 → 01:13:17.459 Being foolish is damnable. 01:13:17.719 → 01:13:18.539 It is a sin. 01:13:18.959 → 01:13:21.179 To be a fool will send you to hell. 01:13:21.399 → 01:13:22.499 Scripture is clear about that. 01:13:23.219 → 01:13:31.599 And I think that the modern conception of Christianity, even within Lutheranism, is to embrace foolishness. 01:13:32.359 → 01:13:35.759 Now, not directly, but it’s always done for the sake of the gospel. 01:13:36.259 → 01:13:39.679 Well, we need to be foolish so that these people can have more Jesus. 01:13:40.459 → 01:13:44.119 Why are you trying to give Jesus to people who are unrepentant in their sin? 01:13:46.119 → 01:13:59.419 The law gospel dichotomy is a valuable distinction, but it has to correctly admit that you don’t give the gospel to people who deny the law. 01:14:00.299 → 01:14:17.519 You may hold it out as a promise to those who will follow the law, who understand the law, but to say to someone who’s unrepentant in their sin, let me tell you about Jesus and how you’re all forgiven, is incoherent, because they’re unrepentant. 01:14:17.539 → 01:14:18.799 They’re like, but I’m free from sin. 01:14:19.239 → 01:14:24.119 You have to start with convicting the conscience before you can get to the absolution. 01:14:24.779 → 01:14:32.479 And these pastors who flee from the pseudonymous are afraid of having their consciousness convicted. 01:14:32.819 → 01:14:34.499 That’s ultimately what they’re fleeing from. 01:14:34.919 → 01:14:42.079 They don’t want to hear men speaking about Scripture in a way that might possibly convict their own words and actions. 01:14:42.779 → 01:14:49.199 And that’s not to say that we’re sitting in judgment or that we are greater Christians by any measure. 01:14:49.819 → 01:14:55.659 A pastor devotes his entire life to one of sacrifice on behalf of his sheep as a shepherd. 01:14:55.959 → 01:14:57.539 I have tremendous respect for that. 01:14:57.559 → 01:15:09.939 So as hard as you’ll ever hear me be on pastors, it is precisely because of the importance of the pastoral office that we are so adamant that pastors must be faithful and must not make these errors. 01:15:10.759 → 01:15:24.139 One of my friends pointed out this past week, the great irony that all these pastors whose salaries are paid by men who are anonymous online are telling them to become non-anonymous and get fired and lose their jobs. 01:15:24.539 → 01:15:27.619 One of these pastors thinks it’s going to happen to their salaries when anybody gets fired. 01:15:28.199 → 01:15:42.039 When the most faithful men in your congregations who understand the ontological nature of these fights, when they get fired by the sodomite in their HR department for saying that sodomy is damnable, who’s going to pay your bills? 01:15:42.359 → 01:15:47.099 How are you going to afford Christmas for your kids when everyone in your parish can’t afford to donate anything? 01:15:47.419 → 01:15:48.439 That’s a real question. 01:15:48.839 → 01:15:56.019 And that’s what this fight comes down to, is to say that the bold Christian confession has to be mindless is… 01:15:58.159 → 01:15:59.559 It’s exactly what Satan wants. 01:16:00.239 → 01:16:06.799 Satan wants men to be as innocent as doves and as dumb as sheep. 01:16:07.259 → 01:16:10.619 There’s no wisdom permitted in the world that Satan is seeking. 01:16:10.839 → 01:16:22.379 Because as long as men one by one get sent into the meat grinder of Saul Alinsky’s personal destruction, no one will ever be able to join voices. 01:16:22.939 → 01:16:42.599 And the fight over Christian nationalism and all these other things is fundamentally about keeping each of us atomized to make sure that there’s no unity of voice, that there’s no consistency, that we all one by one, you say your weird little thing, and then you get doxxed, and then you have to admit how terrible you were and what a dark place you were in your life when you said it. 01:16:43.039 → 01:16:45.599 And then everyone says, Oh, shucks, that’s too bad. 01:16:45.959 → 01:16:48.839 And you get your gifts and go canceled, and then you’re destroyed for life. 01:16:49.379 → 01:16:51.399 One by one, they want us destroyed. 01:16:51.419 → 01:16:53.199 They want us isolated and kept apart. 01:16:53.579 → 01:17:08.359 And the whole point of Christian nationalism, the whole point of the push towards overt Christian unity in subjection to God, is to say, hey, if all of us sheep are together in a herd, the wolves can’t pick us off. 01:17:08.799 → 01:17:11.159 We get picked off when we’re separated from the herd. 01:17:12.019 → 01:17:17.439 That’s why the lost sheep was such a big deal, because that one sheep of the 99 was out alone. 01:17:18.199 → 01:17:19.819 And the 99 were safe. 01:17:20.039 → 01:17:20.859 They were together. 01:17:21.199 → 01:17:26.679 They were still dumb as sheep, but they had strength in numbers because there was unity of just the mass of them. 01:17:27.419 → 01:17:32.119 It was the one sheep who was in danger because he was off alone fending for himself. 01:17:32.539 → 01:17:34.279 And that’s what Satan’s trying to do to everyone. 01:17:34.419 → 01:17:39.119 Pick us off, destroy us, send examples so that no one else will ever stray. 01:17:39.519 → 01:17:46.399 Only in this case, the straying is not from Christianity, but it’s straying from our churches into Christianity. 01:17:46.739 → 01:17:48.239 And that’s the fight that this is about. 01:17:52.019 → 01:18:06.759 So as we wrap this episode up, I want to make a shocking reveal to won’t really be a shock to anyone who’s actually paid close attention to previous episodes, but this is also an episode about Headship as pretty much all of them have been. 01:18:07.819 → 01:18:15.119 The way that Headship interacts with pseudonymity versus knowing a man’s name points us back to Scripture. 01:18:15.679 → 01:18:22.759 When we look at the sixth day of creation in Genesis 2 where Adam was created, let me just read this briefly. 01:18:23.619 → 01:18:27.179 Then the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone. 01:18:27.559 → 01:18:29.419 I will make him a helper fit for him. 01:18:29.819 → 01:18:37.599 Now out of the ground, the Lord God had formed every beast of the field and every bird of the heavens and brought them to the man to see what he would call them. 01:18:38.099 → 01:18:41.719 And whatever the man called every living creature, that was its name. 01:18:42.479 → 01:18:46.919 The man gave names to the livestock and to the birds of the heavens and to every beast of the field. 01:18:47.279 → 01:18:49.819 But for Adam, there was not found a helper fit for him. 01:18:50.379 → 01:18:57.779 So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and while he slept, took one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh. 01:18:58.299 → 01:19:03.619 And the rib that the Lord God had taken from the man he made into a woman and brought her to the man. 01:19:03.959 → 01:19:08.419 Then the man said, This at last is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh. 01:19:08.799 → 01:19:12.439 She shall be called woman, because she was taken out of man. 01:19:12.459 → 01:19:31.699 Now note that in both cases there, for both all the animals and then for the woman who was created, Adam as the designative head of creation under God had authority over the creatures and over Eve by virtue. 01:19:31.939 → 01:19:35.479 And as a part of his headship, that included naming them. 01:19:36.119 → 01:19:42.859 Now, that’s very significant, because to have a name is to have some form of authority over it. 01:19:42.879 → 01:19:47.619 You know, when you’re talking to someone, one of the first things you do is you want to ask their name. 01:19:47.639 → 01:19:55.519 And that’s sort of the natural inclination online, except that in a place where pseudonymity is completely normative, it kind of shifts gears. 01:19:55.659 → 01:20:05.039 And so when pastors are saying, I need to know your real name, they’re not simply asking, as Corey, you mentioned earlier, they’re not simply trying to clarify. 01:20:05.439 → 01:20:08.399 They’re attempting to assert authority over you. 01:20:08.899 → 01:20:13.359 And we can see this made clear at the other end of the scripture in Revelation 19. 01:20:14.819 → 01:20:17.679 Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. 01:20:18.019 → 01:20:23.879 The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. 01:20:24.219 → 01:20:31.699 His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself. 01:20:32.639 → 01:20:38.239 Now, sometimes in the past, Christians have sort of fixated on this secret name of God. 01:20:38.259 → 01:20:40.139 It’s not particularly the New Testament. 01:20:42.019 → 01:20:50.019 The implication for us that there is a name of God that is not known to us is one of authority. 01:20:50.419 → 01:20:58.539 God has not given us that name to call him by, because it is his own, and he has authority because only he knows it. 01:20:58.559 → 01:21:11.739 And that’s exactly what the you’re a pseudonymous coward thing comes down to, is that pastors don’t know our names, so they don’t have authority over us, and they seek to reveal that which is hidden from them, as an act of dominance. 01:21:14.159 → 01:21:26.519 So when we go back to what Larry Beane and the other pastor on Godestean said, John Busman, related to pseudonymity, I just want to quote Larry again. 01:21:27.479 → 01:21:35.139 He accused me and my friends of, quote, approaching theology with the mindset of a cowering keyboard warrior using a pseudonym. 01:21:35.919 → 01:21:54.399 Now, this is particularly rich coming from Larry to say that you’re a coward if you don’t use your real name, thereby implying that he who uses his real name has the strength and the courage that is denied to those who do not use their real name. 01:21:54.899 → 01:22:01.759 This is funny because I know for a fact that Larry Beane is well aware of the demon that we mentioned last week. 01:22:02.199 → 01:22:06.899 Rick McCafferty is a pulpit, is a Lutheran pastor in our own pulpits. 01:22:07.199 → 01:22:11.039 He is an open and unrepentant universalist, and Larry knows this. 01:22:11.219 → 01:22:13.159 Larry’s known about this for many months. 01:22:13.579 → 01:22:16.359 Now, Larry has never said anything about it on his blog. 01:22:16.639 → 01:22:18.939 He’s never said anything about goddess deans. 01:22:18.979 → 01:22:19.859 He has multiple blogs. 01:22:19.879 → 01:22:21.399 I couldn’t find him saying anything anywhere. 01:22:21.799 → 01:22:28.439 I don’t care if he wrote a letter to Rick McCafferty’s BTP or not, who, by the way, endorses this stuff because he put it on the district website. 01:22:30.519 → 01:22:47.199 Larry is the coward here because Larry, rather than punching to his own level, going after pastors and pulpits that he shares by virtue of also being in the synod, there’s a man who’s a universalist who’s going to hell and is going to take his sheep with him. 01:22:47.559 → 01:22:49.379 Larry knows Larry is silent. 01:22:49.519 → 01:22:51.079 He’s completely silent. 01:22:51.659 → 01:22:56.839 I am naming Rick McCafferty, and other anons have gone after him as well because no pastors will do it. 01:22:57.299 → 01:22:59.779 Now, tell me who’s the coward. 01:23:00.939 → 01:23:03.599 I’m using a pseudonym, but I’m naming a real man. 01:23:03.799 → 01:23:04.719 Is that cowardly? 01:23:04.999 → 01:23:05.279 No. 01:23:05.479 → 01:23:06.539 The point is the church. 01:23:06.559 → 01:23:08.379 The point is what’s happening in the church. 01:23:08.759 → 01:23:19.219 The reason that these men like Larry are pissed off that there are pseudonymous men addressing these issues is that the men like Larry are too afraid to do it. 01:23:19.539 → 01:23:20.259 Because you know what? 01:23:20.459 → 01:23:29.519 The Missouri Synod amended its bylaws to make it a corporate crime for a pastor to publicly denounce another pastor’s faithlessness. 01:23:30.159 → 01:23:30.879 That’s evil. 01:23:31.299 → 01:23:32.839 That is absolutely evil. 01:23:32.859 → 01:23:39.439 This is an evil synod today that would say that a pastor is enjoined from addressing the error of others publicly. 01:23:39.699 → 01:23:49.659 That has never happened in the history of theology, and it’s wound up in false interpretations of the Eighth Commandment and Matthew 18 that have been roundly refuted for a long time. 01:23:49.959 → 01:24:09.219 Goddastien Setsteff published something that I transcribed a number of months ago from Professor Marquart, who’s sainted now, who clearly laid out that these claims that if a pastor or anyone else does something theological and you don’t like it because it’s not scriptural, you must approach them in private to deal with it. 01:24:09.439 → 01:24:10.319 That’s nonsense. 01:24:10.499 → 01:24:11.359 It’s not scriptural. 01:24:11.379 → 01:24:12.239 It’s not from God. 01:24:12.419 → 01:24:18.359 What is is its camouflage and its cover for evil men to continue doing their evil things. 01:24:18.719 → 01:24:22.879 So Corey, you and I are addressing these things publicly because they are public matters. 01:24:23.199 → 01:24:29.139 Rick McCafferty is a public universalist, and Larry Beane is a public coward for not naming him. 01:24:29.459 → 01:24:45.339 Rather, he punches down, ironically, the very men who are further to the right than him, who are pseudonymous, who defend him when other pastors like Matt Stanek and Jeremy Stanke and some of these other vipers slander him for being a Confederate. 01:24:45.579 → 01:24:47.339 As though somehow that’s a bad thing. 01:24:47.959 → 01:24:54.859 When Larry respects his ancestors from the south, he’s obeying the Fourth Commandment. 01:24:54.959 → 01:24:56.339 There’s nothing evil about that. 01:24:57.059 → 01:25:05.679 But just like these guys attack Christian nationalism, they attack all these other things, and they attack racism, it is fundamentally all an attack on the church. 01:25:06.039 → 01:25:12.819 So for Larry to be attacking anons, quote unquote, he’s attacking the only guys in the Senate who actually have his back. 01:25:12.999 → 01:25:13.839 And I have his back too. 01:25:13.859 → 01:25:14.699 I really like Larry. 01:25:14.719 → 01:25:17.279 I respect him a lot by calling him out here. 01:25:17.499 → 01:25:19.919 I’m not disavowing him or throwing under the bus. 01:25:20.139 → 01:25:30.059 I’m simply pointing out that this misconstrual of pseudonymity as some vice or some weakness is nonsense. 01:25:30.339 → 01:25:38.679 And it’s punching to the right, and it’s attacking the very men who were, frankly, the only ones who were actually fighting for what remains of the Senate’s faithfulness. 01:25:39.039 → 01:25:43.379 You know, Goddastien is a great place, and I like what they do, but they’re fighting for the liturgy. 01:25:43.979 → 01:25:46.079 That fight is in the rear of your mirror. 01:25:46.779 → 01:25:51.079 We’re fighting now for the first article, for whether or not we even believe in God anymore. 01:25:51.359 → 01:25:52.999 That’s what we’re losing control of. 01:25:53.319 → 01:26:00.999 I love the liturgy, but it’s not protecting us from these universalists any more than the Constitution has protected this country from people subverting it. 01:26:01.279 → 01:26:07.839 Because when you take something like the liturgy or the Constitution, you can use it as cover for whatever you want to do. 01:26:08.239 → 01:26:12.419 And addressing that is something that the anons are doing, that the pseudonymous are doing. 01:26:13.159 → 01:26:17.799 And I welcome the support of other pastors to get out in front of these things. 01:26:18.139 → 01:26:27.319 Like we said on the very first episode, Corey and I are the stones who are crying out because these men, these pastors who are not anonymous, are failing to do so. 01:26:28.279 → 01:26:33.739 We would have nothing to say if these pastors who hate pseudonymity would just do their damn jobs. 01:26:34.299 → 01:26:47.499 And if they think it’s their job to punch down and to attack the pseudonymous men who are addressing theology, then they certainly must confess that it’s their job to address universalists and vipers in their own pulpits. 01:26:47.779 → 01:26:48.899 So let’s see that happen.